Quatre ans dans une secte.

[ChloeSeashell]

Tiens tiens, je viens de retrouver cet article sur la l'épouse psychologue de Molyneux. Ma mère me dit qu'elle est une des personnes ayant fait des plaintes à son sujet.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/therapist-who-told-podcast-listeners-to-shun-their-families-reprimanded/article4846791/

 

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Therapist who told podcast listeners to shun their families reprimanded
 

GALIT RODAN/THE GLOBE AND MAIL

TU THANH HA
PUBLISHED NOVEMBER 1, 2012
UPDATED MAY 9, 2018
Five years ago, a Mississauga therapist named Christina Papadopoulos took part in an online podcast with her husband and described how one day she cut off contact with her parents, whose company she found phony and stifling.

Ms. Papadopoulos also said she was worried her online musings about shunning her relatives might land her in trouble with "the psychology community."

Her fears came true this week when, in an unprecedented disciplinary case, the College of Psychologists of Ontario found her guilty of professional misconduct because she used the Internet to counsel people to emulate her and sever ties with their families.

A disciplinary panel of the college heard Tuesday that Ms. Papadopoulos, a psychological associate, gave improper advice on a number podcasts made with her husband, Stefan Molyneux.

A self-described Internet philosopher, Mr. Molyneux is behind hundreds of posts, podcasts and videos on his website, Freedomain Radio, that discuss a range of topics from a libertarian mindset. "Stef and I, we have the capacity to help the world," Ms. Papadopoulos says in one podcast.

The couple has garnered little attention in Canada, but several parents from Britain and the United States have told The Globe and Mail that their children consulted Freedomain Radio, then became estranged from their families.

The college began investigating after two formal complaints, one in 2009 and the other in 2011.

"As parents we will have hope that this judgment will help to prevent others suffering the devastating pain and damage that our families have endured," the 2009 complainants said in an e-mail to The Globe.

The other complainant wondered if Ms. Papadopoulos grasped the effects of her acts. "If she has genuinely realized the damage and distress she has caused … perhaps she will find ways to undo some of the harm she has done and will help people to be reunited with their families," the complainant said in an e-mail.

Ms. Papadopoulos advocated a practice called deFOOing, or dissociating from one's family of origin, the panel heard.

"Your statements in support of deFOOing are not supported by current professional literature or consistent with the standards [of the college]," prosecutor Peter Osborne said at Tuesday's hearing.

It wasn't a typical case involving a patient-therapist relationship. Ms. Papadopoulos's lawyer, Lisa Hamilton, told the panel her client's file "may be unique for this college. I certainly am not aware of any other cases like this, involving the Internet."

Ms. Papadopoulos gave advice on podcast segments called "Ask a Therapist." While family separation is sometimes appropriate in cases of abuse, she didn't assess whether this was properly applied when she made her podcasts, said an agreed statement of facts read at the hearing.

In a 2007 podcast that a complainant signalled to the college, Ms. Papadopoulos and Mr. Molyneux discussed her parents' shortcomings, calling her relatives "second-handers," an epithet from the author Ayn Rand about dependent people.

"You've never directly confronted your parents on their corruption?" he asked.

"I came close to it a few years ago, which led to my separating from them, my deFOOing," she replied.

In another podcast, the couple discussed a listener who wrote a letter describing how he cut ties with his family and rerouted his mother's daily e-mailed pleas titled "We love you" into his junk mail folder.

"She's trying to push your buttons. She's trying to appeal to your guilt," Ms. Papadopoulos said. "The best thing to do under those circumstances is just not to engage. …The moment you respond back, she knows she's got you."

At Tuesday's hearing, Mr. Osborne said, the perception of Ms. Papadopoulos's objectivity was compromised because her husband's website solicits donations.

Ms. Papadopoulos works as clinical director at Mississauga's Meadowvale Psychological Services. The college reviewed 10 records from her practice and found she had not recommended deFOOing to her clients, Mr. Osborne said.

Ms. Papadopoulos didn't speak at the hearing, except to enter her plea. In the statement of facts, she said "she was, with the benefit of hindsight, naive about the use and possible misuse of information distributed via the Internet."

As part of the penalty, she accepted a reprimand and pledged not to give more online psychological advice. She will have to complete a course of studies and will have a peer mentor her for a year, at her expense. She will be suspended for six months if she doesn't meet all the requirements by Dec. 31, 2013.

Mr. Osborne said the public would be better protected if Ms. Papadopoulos's shortcomings were remedied, rather than just imposing a punitive measure such as a suspension.

 

[ChloeSeashell]

Oh, circulez, rien à voir, juste mon ex-gourou qui dit des choses complètement normales sur les femmes de 30 ans.

[L'Oracle-W00t]

Molyneux n'est pas un gourou.. Et ce n'est pas un suprématiste blanc d'extreme droite comme décrit dans wikifake.  Ce n'est pas lui qui te force, ni te recrute, c'est toi même par curiosité qui va être attiré par ses connaissances et son charisme. Et s'il fait de l'argent avec ça et bien tant mieux pour lui.

[Daleko]

il y a 58 minutes, ChloeSeashell a dit :

Oh, circulez, rien à voir, juste mon ex-gourou qui dit des choses complètement normales sur les femmes de 30 ans.

Mon frère dit ce genre de conneries aussi. Tsais là, je fais 15 000 fausses couches parce que j'ai passé 30 ans pis que je suis trop vieille pour être mère. Enfin, à la différence près que mon frère m'a déjà rencontré et balance pas ses âneries sur une inconnue.

Après, c'est inapproprié, mais : https://www.topsante.com/maman-et-enfant/conception/infertilite/fertilite-90-des-ovules-disparaissent-avant-30-ans-22566

[Un invité de Justin]

Connaissez-vous le New Atheism ou le intellectual dark web ?

https://www.salon.com/2021/06/05/how-the-new-atheists-merged-with-the-far-right-a-story-of-intellectual-grift-and-abject-surrender/

[Retromantique]

Le 2021-06-09 à 03:10, Beauvillier a dit :

Connaissez-vous le New Atheism ou le intellectual dark web ?

https://www.salon.com/2021/06/05/how-the-new-atheists-merged-with-the-far-right-a-story-of-intellectual-grift-and-abject-surrender/

Je me reconnais beaucoup dans ce passage :

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New Atheism appeared to offer moral clarity, it emphasized intellectual honesty and it embraced scientific truths about the nature and workings of reality. It gave me immense hope to know that in a world overflowing with irrationality, there were clear-thinking individuals with sizable public platforms willing to stand up for what's right and true — to stand up for sanity in the face of stupidity.

Fast-forward to the present: What a grift that was! Many of the most prominent New Atheists turned out to be nothing more than self-aggrandizing, dogmatic, irascible, censorious, morally compromised people who, at every opportunity, have propped up the powerful over the powerless, the privileged over the marginalized. 

Moi aussi, j'ai été hardcore athéiste militante il y a plusieurs années. Et dire qu'aujourd'hui j'étudie en sciences des religions.

En tout cas, ils sont pathétiques. Ciboire. Si Carl Sagan voyait ça. Qu'est-ce que je donnerais pour l'entendre se prononcer sur ces développements. 

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If you’re only skeptical, then no new ideas make it through to you. You never learn anything. You become a crotchety misanthrope convinced that nonsense is ruling the world. (There is, of course, much data to support you.) Since major discoveries at the borderlines of science are rare, experiences will tend to confirm your grumpiness. But every now and then a new idea turns out to be on the mark, valid and wonderful. If you’re too resolutely and uncompromisingly skeptical, you’re going to miss (or resent) the transforming discoveries in science, and either way, you will be obstructing understanding and progress. Mere skepticism is not enough.

Y s'en fait pu des comme lui.

Carl Sagan denied being an atheist. So what did he believe? [Part 1] - The Washington Post

WWW.WASHINGTONPOST.COM

*dokidoki*

Ces "Nouveaux Athéistes" sont plutôt stupides. Ils ne comprennent pas à quel point ils sapent leurs espoirs d'un monde moins religieux. Quand tu attaques l'autre, tu lui donne en même temps le nécessaire pour se renforcer. De toute façon, un monde post-religieux est une utopie; l'humain est homo religiosus de nature. 

P.S.: Je suis ravie d'avoir lu l'article, car j'y ai trouvé un lien vers une pépite :

 

Some “New Atheists” Don’t Care About the Facts — A Definitive Guide to the Gender Studies “Hoax” | by Phil Torres | Medium

PHILOSOPHYTORRES.MEDIUM.COM

Vous vous souvenez de la fois où des chercheurs avaient prétendu prouver que les études de genre étaient des foutaises parce qu'ils avaient pu publier un article de merde dans un "journal réputable"? LOL. Excellent.

[Un invité de Justin]

How Cryptocurrency Revolutionized the White Supremacist Movement

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2021/12/09/how-cryptocurrency-revolutionized-white-supremacist-movement